Caldari scout is no longer meant to be used as a scout. They nefred the scout aspect and now everybody is using it brick tanked and a few still taking advantage of the OP shotgun.

Caldari scout is no longer meant to be used as a scout. They nefred the scout aspect and now everybody is using it brick tanked and a few still taking advantage of the OP shotgun.

Caldari scouts gave up potential shield extenders (Main tank) which means they had to give up something to get something else. The Amarr scout isn't giving up crap other than shield extenders but who shield tanks a Amarr scout? That is a disgrace to the empress. Damage mods yeah but they aren't that good. AM scout main tank is in lows. All is good.

Scout seriously has no role what so ever. You can be EWAR but you don't get jack for doing EWAR. I don't see +15 intel kill assists popping up when I run ewar. EWAR isn't a viable way of profiting alone. Also, there is no reason why CCP took away passive scans from scouts. No good reason at least. It has just caused a up roar of brick tanked scouts, 70% of caldari scouts are now above 400 shields. Also commandos are sh*t compared to assault. My Caldari ADV assault can get more HP than a minmatar heavy.

Specced into caldari scout for precision-

CCP: gets taken away and given to Gallante and Amarr

Fine, at least I can scan people from far.

CCP: Makes it so you cannot scan a heavy standing right behind you when cloak activated.

Fine, I'll live with it, I can still defend my self when I accidentally run into some one.

CCP: Add the delay to cloak so when a cloak user runs into a player he cannot defend himself.

Thanks CCP- You made scouts in general blind so now they run into herds of players because they don't know where the F they are going, then you made it so that there is 1 sec delay (1sec is equivalent to 450 damage from average weapon, and 800 damage from an HMG) so now they cannot defend themselves when they accidentally run into a pile of reds.

It makes perfect sense that a caldari scout (The king of scans) cannot scan a mofo heavy 3m behind him even with 2.5 million SP invested into the suit itself and another 1 million into range extenders.

Request: Give us back one of our balls. You took two and now we have none. Either give us back passive scans while cloaked or remove the delay.

P.S. the delay was an attempt to nerf shotgun, but it went in the other direction.

CCP: Shotgun is OP, let's nerf the cloak.

# CCP logic.

The bonus passive isn't good enough, one enhanced dampeners and every scout and their mother could get under the scans. You HAD to have a precision enhancer or two to catch those scouts which means giving up shields. The passives didn't DO the job, they helped. Now there is no reason to use Precision enhancers on a Caldari scout, you need 3 precision enhancers to catch one caldari or gallante scout with one complex dampener. Also, forget using precision enhancers, the cloak destroys the purpose of range extenders and precision enhancers. One complex range extender will get you like 1-2m more range while cloaked.

Edit response: No it shouldn't without sacrifices, there are specific play styles to every suit. If you want you can go ahead and use a shotgun on an assault suit but you will have fit it like a scout with dampening, a weapon that requires you to be within 10m of an enemy cannot be fitted on a suit the enemy can see from 100m away (scanners). I can put a SG on my min assault and it is viable and I get quite a few kills with it.

The bonus passive isn't good enough, one enhanced dampeners and every scout and their mother could get under the scans. You HAD to have a precision enhancer or two to catch those scouts which means giving up shields. The passives didn't DO the job, they helped. Now there is no reason to use Precision enhancers on a Caldari scout, you need 3 precision enhancers to catch one caldari or gallante scout with one complex dampener. Also, forget using precision enhancers, the cloak destroys the purpose of range extenders and precision enhancers. One complex range extender will get you like 1-2m more range while cloaked.

Edit response: No it shouldn't without sacrifices, there are specific play styles to every suit. If you want you can go ahead and use a shotgun on an assault suit but you will have fit it like a scout with dampening, a weapon that requires you to be within 10m of an enemy cannot be fitted on a suit the enemy can see from 100m away (scanners). I can put a SG on my min assault and it is viable and I get quite a few kills with it.

If you think the CalScout is bad today, you won't very much like what's coming tomorrow.

EWAR was killed by cloaks but the micro-argument was about passive skills. Also, quite a few kills=I did perfectly fine with it. Also, Assault can do wonders with all guns, you are just bad. You're the type of scrub the probably tries to put a SG on a suit with no damps, no speed, no ewar. You have to learn how to fit stuff to make it worth a damn.

P.S. my SG heavy actually works wonders due to the fact it can tank HP ( 950 ish) and is running 6.9 m/s and hidden from all without precision enhancers except scouts. It's a throw away fit. Some weapons suit some suits better than others. You don't normally see suits other than Amarr Assault going try hard with the ScR because ScR is better on Amarr Assault than it is on the Caldari. Just like CR is better on MinAssault than it is on other suits. Stop being a scrub.

Also- with your logic-you could say stop using small blasters if you can't do good with them. Even though they are UP. With your logic, you insist on not using UP stuff. Well my logic says lets Buff the UP stuff and make actually good. Cloak right now is terrible and if you are a paperthin ewar scout you would understand. Cloak seriously needs that range back.

Example: repair tools are mean to repair armor normally logi heavies. Imagine that when repairs are on your heavy, your total HP goes to 50%. Not only is that counter productive, it is just stupid. A heavy without a ton of HP because they equipment "made" for it is being used. This is just like scouts, scouts are mean to be scouts as in scan stuff but the equipment made for scouts is counter productive of the role.

Tree the example isn't very good but with a little bit of brain power you might understand.

2/4 scouts can beat passive scans of AM scout even though it is suppose to be the king of precision. The passive scans are their to help, not do the job. Also you are comparing that a scout meant for scans is able to scan a scout not meant for dampening. Now compare scout meant for dampening with scouts meant for precision. Dampening is much more powerful than precision. The modules are stronger and you start at 35 DB isntead of 40. Also, precison enhancers on scouts like minmatar, caldari are probably not worth the extra HP. One complex precision enhancer on your cal/min scout doesn't get you anywhere. Then again one on an Amarr scout does. The passives help in scanning not DO it.

Edit: without and bonuses your normal non AM scout precision is 36. just like a normal non caldari/gal scout DB is 32. Dampening wins. Now a AM scout precision is at 27 DB while gal/cal scout DB is at 26.7 which means he is under the AM scout still, no modules (AM scout needs a precision enhancer to be able to scan gal/cal scout while cal/gal scout need nothing) . Now with one complex damp the cal/gal scout is now at 20DB and one complex precision on AM scout is 21.6 DB and AM scout still needs one more module to scan gal/cal scout. This over all means, the Dampener to scan ratio for cal/gal scout is 1:2, for every one dampener, the opponent needs two precisions to pick him up. Get good, come back again.